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flyingskull ([personal profile] flyingskull) wrote2007-02-21 04:44 pm

Review of Drop Dead Gorgeous

As promised, though tardily, here it is, my review of Drop Dead Gorgeous.



"… Commodified fantasy takes no risks: it invents nothing, but imitates and trivialises. It proceeds by depriving the old stories of their intellectual and ethical complexity, turning their action to violence, their actors to dolls, and their truth-telling to sentimental platitude. Heroes brandish their swords, lasers, wands, as mechanically as combine harvesters, reaping profits.

Profoundly disturbing moral choices are sanitized, made cute, made safe. The passionately conceived ideas of the great story-tellers are copied, stereotyped, reduced to toys, moulded in bright-coloured plastic, advertised, sold, broken, junked, replaceable, interchangeable. What the commodifiers of fantasy count on and exploit is the insuperable imagination of the reader, child or adult, which gives even these dead things life - of a sort, for a while. "

(Ursula K. LeGuin – intro to "Tales from Earthsea")


Why do I start with a good healthy dose of bad-fantasy-writers bashing a critique of Maya's latest – and funniest – adventure in fanfic writing? Because, once again, a decent author who thinks about the meaning and function of what she writes has hit the nail on the head: when fiction is bad in the way she describes, good writers will feel the urge to correct the superficialities and give life to the dead things, even if only for awhile.

I realise this is a very general statement to make and it's more a defence of fanfiction than a comment on Drop Dead Gorgeous, but it always starts here for me: giving life to dead things. Which [livejournal.com profile] mistful does… in abundance.

So Harry and Draco as the Odd Couple of Aurorland works perfectly well. It's so SO delightful that it transcends crack and becomes fic because [livejournal.com profile] mistful is incapable of writing true crack. Humanity keeps intruding. Which is as it should be, really. It's not witty or humorous or laughworthy if there's no humanity in it; even parody – or crack!fic, if you prefer – has to have real people in it to work.

Of course, what makes it parody is the constant intrusion of meta that underlines the sheer idiocy of canon: the monster in Harry's chest, the Harry Had Changed Over The Summer Into a Sex God cliché, the What Heroes Do Is Always Good By Definition amorality. She also parodies the ever-popular fanon idea that If You Are Dead Sexy You Have It Made, Mate, as exemplified in all the Happy!Veela!Sub!anyone stories.

It's not all meta, of course, as I said, humanity keeps intruding. Being on the verge of being constantly raped because you're irresistible is not funny; being a borderline sociopath who has no idea of how to function in a society is even less funny: there are the makings of tragedy here. Yet Maya writes it funny because the other face of tragedy is farce, as she knows very well, and laughter will make the Dousing With Ice Cold Water of personal tragedy all the starker.

It's [livejournal.com profile] mistful's compressed and lucid style that makes it work so well. Consider this:

Malfoy turned towards him, his left eyebrow and the left side of his mouth both flying upwards in that lopsided quizzical look he got sometimes. Harry ran his fingers through his hair twice, and only twice. (emphasis mine)

See how many things are expressed in two sentences: Harry's inability to read Draco's expression, to understand what emotion lied behind it; Harry's yearning to touch and his refusal to yield to it, Harry's rigid control of his reactions and the way his very control expresses his affection. I'm probably over-psychoanalysing the character here, but, at the same time it's all there, in two ironically lucid sentences.

Maya quotes constantly, not direct quotes – alright, there's a DW Watch direct quote in chapter 3 – but allusions, implications, refenceres to anything from old TV shows to fairy tales. One reversal of fairy tale cliché I particularly loved to pieces. This:

Malfoy had worked flat out for two and then fallen asleep abruptly by his desk. He’d started to coo, and Katie, with circles under her eyes, had knelt down and kissed him into silent sleep.

She’d looked up and seen Harry watching, and given him a rueful smile.

“It’s the only thing that keeps him quiet,” she said, and then laid down beside Malfoy. Even sleeping, he’d slid his arm around her.


Princess Charming kisses her Snow White Auror to silent sleep. And ain't it lovely that he coos like a dove?

And talking about old TV shows… It was true of Starsky and Hutch and it's true of Drop Dead Gorgeous – a truth universally acknowledged, I might add if I was feeling Austenish – that, no matter how many beards one throws at the protagonists, the only relationship that's central (I had typoed 'ventral', shades of Freud?) to their emotional and social life is the one they have with each other. It's so central and basic that, even if they never kiss or even hug, they are to all effects and purposes a couple, spouses, soul-bonded and double-tied in mutual dependence.

This is acknowledged here:

They were just - odd together, that was all. When Malfoy was with her he was gentle and considerate, and it seemed incongruous, as if he was a lynx trying very hard to pass for a housecat.

Which can well be Harry's jealousy talking – in a sense it is just that – but it's also a comment on how the only 'natural' relationship, the only one not fraught with trying very hard to pass for something one's not, is the one the joined-at-the-hips partners have with each other. True, Harry doesn't declare his undying passion to Draco, but he wouldn't anyway and besides he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to understanding his own jumble of violently self-centred emotions.

Right, Maya gives Harry a more-than-canon honesty about that which is why the fact that he can recognise the problem and correct his behaviour because of it doesn't jar.

To end this long and unbrilliant critique, there's a thing that… no I tell a lie, two things that intrigue me a LOT in DDD.

One is the conundrum of Draco's perceptive capability. Apparently he can read subtle signals that Harry is not aware of transmitting – alright, they could be huge anvil-like flashing neon signs as Harry is fairly oblivious of his own facial expressions – and can react accordingly, BUT is he aware of Harry's all-consuming passion? One is tempted to say that yes, he is and he's not reacting to it because he's trying not to complicate matters and would do nothing to jeopardise this 'beautiful' friendship he has with Harry now, a thing that, according to Pansy – and canon – he's wanted since he was eleven. But it's not a given. Not at all, o subtle and wise Maya. I just love to see how that will resolve, I love puzzles and this particular puzzle gives suspense and thrills in the whodunnit of the boys' ultimate personal fate.

The other is one of THE most hilarious mistake by absent-mindedness in the history of fanfics:

Malfoy had righted Dixon’s chair and was lounging in it. When he caught Dixon’s eye he smiled in a truly horrible way he’d perfected, rolled down his sleeve and showed him the Dark Mark.

Rolled DOWN? rolled DOWN?? MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Sorry, sorry but the image is totally absurdly funny. I can see Malfoy, Draco, Auror and ex Death Eater, ripping his sleeve from his shoulder to make a cloth ring around his wrist to show the Dark Mark (TM) to right bastard Dixon.

All the other characters are either extremely IC with a [livejournal.com profile] mistful slant or delightful OCs, all – and this is extremely important – are real, fully flashed out people, even if they are kind of extras. I feel immensely for poor Chrysanthemum; I could cheerfully strangle Cuthbert (who's a very Pratchettian kind of character); I could, and in fact did, cheer Harry for punching Theophilus (who's a very Austenian character) and so on.

The one I love best, though, is Pansy. Maya is the only fanfic author I've read that can write a Pansy I can believe in, a Pansy who won't admit in public she loves unicorns, but can wear in public a PINK frilly dress, a Pansy who's intelligent and earthy and who can move on from things, a Pansy Ron deserves because in Mayaverse he's got the nous to finally move on from hero-worship and star-junkie to become his own man.

Oh, and because I'm a Draco-loving woman – no surprises here – I absolutely love Maya!Draco, the White Dove Unicorn of Sarcasm and Hiding Behind Words. And you know what? Harking back to the one real quote in the series – so far - I can actually see Draco in the Watch drawing Carrot absolutely crazy, flirting with Angua, doing impressions of Nobby and Detritus and things.

So, leaving you with this cheerful image, I conclude by saying: Your Original Works have absolute precedence, Maya dear, but please don't stop writing fics, don't stop writing DDD and, to me MOST important, don't stop writing QOM, your fanfic masterpiece. We need you to give life to that dead thing: canon.
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O/T sorta kinda not really

[identity profile] lilian-cho.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Answering your comment here

You know? I too thought of Calcifer instantly! GMTA!

Calcifer is love :-) I like Calcifer better than Michael.

BTW, have you seen the film?

Yes, of course. I was disappointed too. IMO that movie is Hayao Miyazaki's worst work.

What I hate most about it is that they changed her sisters into one X_x;;
When the crucial starting point of the book is that she's the oldest sister of THREE.

Why change the story so much? Why, oh why, do Howl's Moving Castle if you don't like the story?

I think he does like the story, but the Japanese never does expect an adaptation to be "faithful." That's why anime (Japanese cartoon) always diverges from manga (Japanese graphic novel/comic).

It might be also that he was taking the elements that make sense to him and discarding the elements that don't X_x;;
The number three means differently to the Japanese than to Westerners. There aren't fairy tales about three sisters or three brothers. The Asian Cinderella stories (the ones that I know, at least) have one instead of two stepsisters.

But yeah. The whole love of Howl's is all the contradiction and surprises and things falling into place. That's what I love about DWJ really :-)

Re: O/T sorta kinda not really

[identity profile] flyingskull.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Calcifer is love :-) I like Calcifer better than Michael.

Told youse! GMTA! Me too. But then, I never supposed we readers were supposed to like Michael more than Calcifer, y'know? Michael is sort of like the 'normal' one in the general madness, methinks and works very well as a foil.

I think he does like the story, but the Japanese never does expect an adaptation to be "faithful."

There should be some limit to "unfaithful" though, like some vague resemblance to the original plot and characters. The film is like bad fanfiction.

Also:

It might be also that he was taking the elements that make sense to him and discarding the elements that don't...

Then NOTHING made sense to him except that the castle moves, Sophie is cursed into old age and Howl dies his hair.

What I really HATED about the film - and yes, I love to death Princess Mononoke, the only other Miyazaki film I've ever seen - is not that he didn't get the 'three sisters' fairy tale thing right, though that galled a lot, but that he had to go and make a war, make Howl become a sort of wolf-birdy-thingy thing which makes NO sense, that Wizard Suliman, instead of being a perfectly reasonable Welshman is a woman and a bad'un, that there was NO Wales anywhere around, that the scarecrow was all light and love and never scary no siree, that Sophie didn't have the power of giving life to things... Alright, I'll stop.

The only thing I liked, actually, were the Japanese voices which were excellent and MUCH MUCH better than the American ones. That goes for Princess Mononoke as well. I hate dubbing, even if it is for a cartoon which is, of course, dubbed from the start. Yes! I am irrational.

Sorry about the rant, luv. It's a pity because I think I like Myiazaki as a film-maker and I agree that poor Howl must be his very worst thing. I still mantain that the judges at the Venice Film Festival were prolly high on some bad shit and also that they had NEVER read the book and didn't want to. UGH.

Sooooo... what think of Maya-rant? :-D

Oh, and BTW your first 200 words just about made my millennium. It could stand as it is, after correcting a few tenses and things, BUT I want more more more MORE! I wanna hear tiny Malfoy make life HELL for Cameron, yes I do. ;) Thanks muchly, luv.
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DDG

[identity profile] lilian-cho.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
You know I love you right?

Will most definitely rec this on my LJ.

*memories*

Also, you make me want to read Pratchett's watchguard series--which book is the first one?

And gawd! I didn't realize the reverse fairy tale going on there. SnowWhite!Draco bwahahahaha.

I personally think Draco's oblivious to Harry's attraction to him. I think this Harry has grown up and become more observant--and consequently, more in control of the signals he broadcast.

It seems like nobody has a clue whatsoever that Harry's yearning for Draco with his whole being--so I think it makes perfect sense for Draco to be oblivious. Add to that Draco's fundamental fear that he's never good enough for Harry, even as a partner (at least until Harry "crawls back" to him).

Also, although I identify most with IYaRM!Draco, DDG!Draco is slowly but surely inching to the position of my most favoritest Draco ever.

P.S. Have you read any [livejournal.com profile] kc_anathema's stories? You won't like her "Wings Eclipsing Night" series, but you'd probably like her Oath Breaker series. It's hmm...high fantasy, if I understand the term correctly. So, forget canon for a bit--and imagine the everpresent tension between Dark and Light.

HP/DM, LM/SS (in the future), AU 6th year, WIP
At the start of seventh year, the Malfoys perform a dramatic double-cross and Draco educates Harry about what exactly dark magic is.

This is what's missing from Rowling's world: meaningful demarcation between "Light" and "Dark" magic. As opposed to 15 y.o. kids defeating the big bad Death Eaters (who have the Unforgivables in their arsenal) with jelly-legs jinx.

I think you'd also like her "Paper Dragons"
Draco-centric one-shot, pre-slash, where Draco works on catching something rather precious to him.

This is the fic that made me stop and take notice of her.
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Re: O/T sorta kinda not really

[identity profile] lilian-cho.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
But then, I never supposed we readers were supposed to like Michael more than Calcifer, y'know?

Yeah, that makes sense.

The film is like bad fanfiction.

No arguments from me on that, lol.

Then NOTHING made sense to him except that the castle moves, Sophie is cursed into old age and Howl dies his hair.

X-D Yeah.
I do love the scene where Howl runs and catches Calcifer though. At least it's consistent with the book in that Howl didn't want Calcifer to die :-( *wibbles*

he had to go and make a war, make Howl become a sort of wolf-birdy-thingy thing which makes NO sense,

I think war is a Miyazaki fixation. He probably grew up during WWII or something. Soo many of his movies have war themes in them, even the lighthearted ones.
The Howl hybrid-monster-thingy...is a common theme in Japanese manga/anime. It's basically a physical manifestation of the overwhelming power that threatens to take over your soul, so to speak. But yeah, not in the book.

that Wizard Suliman, instead of being a perfectly reasonable Welshman is a woman and a bad'un,

I find her attendants creepy O_o
It's like lolita complex or smth. Well, the attendants look like dolls (they might be dolls, who knows)

that there was NO Wales anywhere around,

Yep I love that Howl is actually Howell. Maybe Miyazaki thinks that will disrupt the fantasy feel of the movie or smth. *shrugs*

that Sophie didn't have the power of giving life to things

That doesn't make sense, yes X_x;;
Because it takes away the whole reason of why Sophie is cursed.

The only thing I liked, actually, were the Japanese voices which were excellent and MUCH MUCH better than the American ones.

I actually saw the pirated version, which doesn't even have subtitles so haha I am clueless to the finer details of the plot. But of course, what plot? :-P

I think I like Myiazaki as a film-maker and I agree that poor Howl must be his very worst thing.

I think you'll like Spirited Away (Sen to Chihiro) better than Princess Mononoke. It's like a Japanese Alice in Wonderland--complete with all sorts of Japanese folklores etc. Go watch it! It's awesome!
I have to thank Howl the movie for introducing me to DWJ, lol. The only reason I pick up the book was because I was psyched about the movie--and I always read the book before I watch the movie adaptation :-)

Oh, and BTW your first 200 words just about made my millennium.

lol thanks

It could stand as it is, after correcting a few tenses and things, BUT I want more more more MORE! I wanna hear tiny Malfoy make life HELL for Cameron, yes I do. ;) Thanks muchly, luv.

*g* I've written the middle scenes, but I need to write the beginning and the end. I'll have it beta-ed before posting the whole thing.
And yes, Draco's going to crush Cameron X-D



Cameron: "But--but--I don't understand why he doesn't love me?"

Foreman: *shrugs*

Chase: *mutters* "He was unimpressed by my winning personality too."

House: *opens door with cane* "Watch and learn, ducklings."

Re: DDG

[identity profile] flyingskull.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
You know I love you right?

*blushes like mad* Yeh, well, I love you too, dear.

Am not so sure Draco is quite that oblivious to Harry's - and Horace's - undying passion, not when he can read every Harry nuance like a book, but, as I said, I don't mind however it is resolved, I just love that I have something of a puzzle. You might very well be right.

I absolutely LOVE Paper Dragons I left her a sizzling delirious rave of a review. For some reasons, prolly because of Wings Eclipsing Night, or prolly not as I seem to remember I started to read something of her I didn't like as much as PD, I haven't read the Oath Breaker. Will proceed to do so immediately, firstly because if you recommend it, it's good and secondly because you're so bloody right about the the 'easy cliché' thing about Light and Dark magic. Personally I think JKR hasn't got the slightest idea what she's blathering about and makes it up - badly and getting worse with every book - as she goes along.

Thanks for kind words, luv. MUCH appreciated.

Re: DDG

[identity profile] flyingskull.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, silly me. Watch series in DW. Starts with Guards! Guards! then you have Men at Arms, Feet of Clay, Jingo, The Fifth Elephant, Night Watch - IMO his masterpiece up till now of all his books - and Thud!.

I totally love Pterry so I can't really say I love the Watch as if I implied I don't love the Witches and so on, but Vimes is one of my personal favourites - actually Vimes and Granny Weatherwax make my life worth living - and the ever-growing cast of the Watchmen is a terrible joy to contemplate. Maya!Draco would fit right in.
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Light v. Dark

[identity profile] lilian-cho.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
;-)

Wings Eclipsing Night is her Veela!Draco series. It's my least favorite fic of hers, but things are looking up because Snape and Lucius showed up in the last chapter.

I never realize how much I love her Lucius until I literally squeed when he showed up in the end of the latest OB chapter. Haha, spoilers :-P *is evil* Well, not a spoiler unless you love Lucius.

Will proceed to do so immediately, firstly because if you recommend it, it's good

:-) *preens*
I'm v. particular about my fanfic recs, that much is true.

you're so bloody right about the the 'easy cliché' thing about Light and Dark magic. Personally I think JKR hasn't got the slightest idea what she's blathering about and makes it up - badly and getting worse with every book - as she goes along.

Yeah, Book Seven is probably her worst >_>
Oh well as long Draco doesn't die please. And if possible, Snape too.
It's such a shame about that not more fanfic writers explore the Light v. Dark tension that's so glaringly absent from canon. The only other writer I can think of that explores this tension is Mira with her SoHW. Oh! And Illuferret also--sort of.
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Re: Light v. Dark

[identity profile] lilian-cho.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)
It's such a shame about that not more fanfic writers explore the Light v. Dark tension that's so glaringly absent from canon.

I say that yet I also shy away from writing it, hahaha.
I think it's too epic for me to handle X_x;;

...I suppose I might try incorporating some of that in "Dragon Rose" and "Dragon Flies." Hmm...that might work, if I have the patience and persistence to do it. *ponders*

Re: O/T sorta kinda not really

[identity profile] flyingskull.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 07:26 pm (UTC)(link)
ameron: "But--but--I don't understand why he doesn't love me?"

Foreman: *shrugs*

Chase: *mutters* "He was unimpressed by my winning personality too."

House: *opens door with cane* "Watch and learn, ducklings."


MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! God, I love you! See? We're even! :P

Okay, will get Spirited Away.

Re: Light v. Dark

[identity profile] flyingskull.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh I like Lucius The Bastard a lot. I like villains and one can't possibly like voldemort because he just doesn't EXIST! Never read a villain that wasn't even a cypher like him. Was all the Dickensian drivel about poor Tommy an attempt to make Voldemort believable? Because it failed. Lucius, OTOH, is two-dimensional but real, so I can like him in peace. Alright, I'll give a whirl to her Veela!Draco too. Am not so fond of Sub!Veela!Draco and ALL!DOMMY!POWERFUL!SMIRKING!Harry, though.

Personally I'd much prefer Draco and Snape to have at least a tragic death and regain at least a little bit of the dignity that was always denied them in canon than have them live to be kicked in jail with extreme prejudice or to turn into weepy ukes and beg forgiveness of Light. BLEGH. Also, if Snape was in love with Lily I shall vomit.

Mira is another HP goddess, if you ask me. I love her SoHW to pieces. Her Lucius is seriously kick-ass and, though I think she has a too exalted view of Harry and Ron, I love and delight in all she writes.

Re: Light v. Dark

[identity profile] flyingskull.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, you're the author, but I don't think it works if one forces oneself into writing about something one feels strongly about, but in a critical sense and is not really right for one's style and interests.

Just my opinion, luv.

HUGZ
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Re: Light v. Dark

[identity profile] lilian-cho.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Was all the Dickensian drivel about poor Tommy an attempt to make Voldemort believable?

I may or may not have a crush on CoS!Tom Riddle *g*
I love the implications of him using his looks to charm women (and men? *g*) into showing him their heirlooms.

Lucius, OTOH, is two-dimensional but real, so I can like him in peace.

lol true. I really think Draco is a spoiled child though. Although I agree with Maya that when forced to choose between Lucius and Narcissa, he would choose Narcissa.

Alright, I'll give a whirl to her Veela!Draco too. Am not so fond of Sub!Veela!Draco and ALL!DOMMY!POWERFUL!SMIRKING!Harry, though.

...I really think you won't like it. Especially the first two chapters. Or three. I guess you can skim-read until you get to the last chapter X-D

or to turn into weepy ukes and beg forgiveness of Light.

AHAHAHHAHA X-D
The scary thing is, I can so totally see that happening to Draco X_x;;
*mental breakdown*
I hope I'm not leaving the fandom after Book Seven, because I still have so many fanfics I want to write :-/
But if Book Seven destroys any desire for me to write them, then...
I'll still continue IMR4MR no matter what though. *crosses fingers* And "Dragon Rose" because I'm too obsessed with the idea already.

Also, if Snape was in love with Lily I shall vomit.

Hahahaha. Oh, did you see this btw? Interested?

Her Lucius is seriously kick-ass and, though I think she has a too exalted view of Harry and Ron, I love and delight in all she writes.

I love her Harry to pieces, yes I do. It's clueless-about-his-own-power!Harry :-D
And I so wish her SoHW will last another ten chapters or twenty, haha.

[identity profile] baeraad.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
(*smiles vaguely*) Ah, hello, my dear. :)

I will say something actually useful eventually, but not until this fever stops turning my brain into mush. You see, I am a man stricken with a fearsome malady, an illness most horrendous.

Well. Or maybe it's just a mild cold. It's still a pain in the rear. ^_^;

(*huggles and staggers off to bed*)
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Re: Light v. Dark

[identity profile] lilian-cho.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Hm, true.

I can make it sort of a background tension instead of addressing it directly. I think that would work. So "Dragon Dreams" is all fluffy and fairy tale-ish, but it gets progressively darker as Draco wakes up and encounters reality, so to speak.

Lucius and Narcissa would try to present a front of all that is light and good, but no amount of French windows would erase the Malfoy's Dark heritage.

Similarly, Sirius may redecorate Grimmauld Place, but it's superficial.

Hmmm...libraries... *is random*

Re: Light v. Dark

[identity profile] flyingskull.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)

Well, okay, Tommy is, in Maya's masterful description, tall, dark and mind-blowing which is at least something. My problem, in fact, is not with Tommy as such, but that there is no real connection between Tommy and Voldemort who was born as a sort of Sauron figure, alright alright, Satan.

To say that Tommy became Satan because he was born bad makes all the Orphanage Abuse sequences useless and to say that he resorted to anagrams to proclaim his everlasting evil because he wasn't allowed to teach DADA is beyond cretinous. Yet those are the only links between the two we have in canon. I'm a bit ranty, amn't I? Sorry. I love me a good villain and this cardborad cutout just doesn't make it.

I don't think canon!Draco is spoiled, y'know? At least he's not what I mean by spoiled. In his scenes with daddy he isn't much indulged, though it's possible that A) Lucius is bipolar or B) for some reasons he's all butter-soft at home and never in public. But if Draco is spoiled, he's spoiled by Narcissa, that's for sure. Now here's an interesting character for me.

Well, I fear that 'weepy uke' is what's in store for Draco and possibly Snape in book seven, but let's hope not. BTW, I think Draco is not one, Victorian Consumptive Heroine, yes, Dying Keats Under Stress, yes, but he's really quite formidable and indomitable if you think about all that's been thrown at him in the books and the fact that he always bounces back as if being constantly bullied, beaten, humiliated, hexed and eviscerated were all things that happened to someone else. He must also be THE most reserved person in the universe because he never throws back these things at Hero!Harry. Not the reactions of a weepy uke, methinks. But, alright, I may be reading an internal text in despair that has nothing to do with the author's intentions.

Fake Book Seven? Harry Potter and the Hallowed Halloween or whatever? HAHAHAH! I can't write so well, but I'm interested, yes. Maybe I can provide plot? Hmmm... will think about and get back to you. The idea is gorgeous!

About SoHW: oh I so hope she won't let it die! And yes, I put it badly, I like her Harry, the point is I can't see where Harry is so powerful. He hath the Power that Voldemort Knows Not, but given Voldemort's track record that could be the power to make paper-clip chains. Because if it's love, then Voldie has already won and we can all get a fascinating, though yobboish, new tattoo. I mean, if Harry's the Chosen One, he don't have to be powerful to off Tommy, it's all fated anyway.

BTW, why o why, except that we have to have a Gandalf/Kenobi moment, does canon say that Dumbledore is so very powerful? He gets smashed by a ring and has his guts dissolved by a potion: both things the work of SUPER!Tommy. And can we PLEASE PLEASE have Hermione lose an arm and a leg by Horcrux? Can we have Ron - sorry I like Maya!Ron, not canon Ron - burned away by another? Can we have Dead!Neville by an ulterior one? And so on. Because they have to destroy the things to off the bad guy, don't they? And if Dumbledore fared so badly...

*sigh* A woman can dream, can't she?

[identity profile] flyingskull.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh poor love! Go get thee a posset and get well soon!

*laves fevered brow with cool cloth*

HUGZ and mind you take care of thyself.

Re: Light v. Dark

[identity profile] flyingskull.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, methinks that would work.

As Maya points out in QOM Sirius doesn't redecorate, he destroys and kills the house. Granted he has reasons, but the real problem isn't about Dark or Light, in a sense. It's about his own pet hatred for his family.

I think Hermione is as Dark as they come, BTW. OTOH, lots of medicines are made from poisons and other assorted clichés. What is Dark or Light is the intention of the user, not the thing. Reducing Light and Dark to a set of spells one does not or does use for several purposes is infantile and facile and other derogative terms.

Libraries are never random. Don't forget L-space, maybe one just interfaced with you.
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Re: Light v. Dark

[identity profile] lilian-cho.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I was talking about my eternally-AU!Sirius in "Dragon Rose" *g*

But yeah, stupid canon!Sirius. GAH!
I would soo love it if Regulus turns out to be blond and grey-eyed in canon X-D They're a "matched set" because they're negative images to each other.
Although dead-ringer-to-Sirius!Regulus is cool too, I suppose.

Yes, I believe in Dark!Hermione more than I do Dark!Ron, esp. since Ron is now canonically desirable. Quidditch player plus there must be a reason why Lavender's all over him ;-)

What is Dark or Light is the intention of the user, not the thing.

I think you'll be intrigued by KC's take on this :-D
In her OB universe, Dark and Light is about how the spell works. Dark spells are more devastating/explosive than Light spells, both for healing and destructive purposes. Consequently Dark spells take a lot out of the caster compared to Light spells.

People should write more library!fics. *nods*
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Re: Light v. Dark

[identity profile] lilian-cho.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
there is no real connection between Tommy and Voldemort who was born as a sort of Sauron figure, alright alright, Satan.

X-D

Rowling's philosophy is screwy and illogical :-P
I just hate hate hate Dumbledore's attempt to explain--what was it?--the power of love or some such to Harry in Book Six. I don't remember what exactly got me so ticked off, but at the very least his "explanation" contradicts what he said in the previous books.
*shakes head resignedly*

I don't think canon!Draco is spoiled, y'know? At least he's not what I mean by spoiled.

Hmm, pampered maybe? I realize "spoiled" is such a negative word for Americans :-P

In his scenes with daddy he isn't much indulged, though it's possible that A) Lucius is bipolar or B) for some reasons he's all butter-soft at home and never in public.

Bipolar!Lucius ROTFL X-D
That would make perfect sense, wouldn't it?
*wipes tears of laughter*

I was thinking he's more the type that would spend all sorts of money on Draco, but not necessarily praise him or hug him. He probably only hugs Draco once a year before he leaves for Hogwarts or something. To me, that's not a contradiction.

But if Draco is spoiled, he's spoiled by Narcissa, that's for sure.

Oh yes, Narcissa and her care packages :-D
I love love love how QoM!Draco's appearance took a decline after Narcissa died. And Harry's attempt to restore Draco's pampered pet looks! *dies*
Draco is not a cat, Harry dear.

Victorian Consumptive Heroine, yes, Dying Keats Under Stress, yes,

X-D Drama Queen, ahaha.

I may be reading an internal text in despair that has nothing to do with the author's intentions.

To hell with author's intentions :-P
When the author is sloppy like Rowling, who cares? The text exists outside of her, and with the last book in the horizon fans can make of canon what they will. YES!

...I have no idea where I'll drift off after Book Seven. Perhaps Good Omens. If only DWJ has a fandom, lol. (It does exist, but it's miniscule as far as I know). Fantasy series...fantasy series...

Maybe I can provide plot? Hmmm... will think about and get back to you. The idea is gorgeous!

Yes please :-DDD
And, do you know how to filter a post only to me?
Or you can post comments here so it doesn't leak out unnecessarily.

About SoHW: oh I so hope she won't let it die!

I don't think she'd abandon it, but according to her plans, there are only five or so chapters left :-/
I want moreee.



He hath the Power that Voldemort Knows Not, but given Voldemort's track record that could be the power to make paper-clip chains.

Harry: "Voldemort, I smite thee with this paper-clip chain of love!"

Voldemort: "..."

D.E.s: "..."

Harry: "I rummaged through the ruins of Godric's Hollow and found this in my Holy Virgin mother's pencil case. Cower before the power of love!"

Voldemort: "Bellatrix, call my manicurist and tell him that I can make that appointment after all. Wormtail, see the brat to the door. Make sure he didn't steal any shiny things on his way out."

Harry: *is dragged out* "HEY! Aren't you listening to meeeeeeeeeeee?!111"



if Harry's the Chosen One, he don't have to be powerful to off Tommy, it's all fated anyway.

Hmmm...true. I personally think Harry's raw power is mostly thanks to Voldemort.

And can we PLEASE PLEASE have Hermione lose an arm and a leg by Horcrux? Can we have Ron - sorry I like Maya!Ron, not canon Ron - burned away by another?

X-D

Can we have Dead!Neville by an ulterior one? And so on.

I kinda like Neville really. Hey, what about those Inferi kittens?

Re: Light v. Dark

[identity profile] flyingskull.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm, pampered maybe? I realize "spoiled" is such a negative word for Americans :-P

Er... am not American. Am Brit. Alright, Jamaican/Irish/French/Brit, still not American last time I looked. I said Draco doesn't seem spoiled to me because spoiled to me carries overtones of 'you can NEVER be wrong my child' and 'you are all perfection dear, do what you want' with a side dish of lots of things given. Lucius could very well be a doting father and a sadistic murderer at the same time, history provides us with lots of examples. As Pterry shows in Small Gods and other places - Good Omens for one, cfr. Crowley musings - there's nothing that human being can do to one another while being perfectly loving parents at home, but somehow I doubt it.

As you say, he ain't the hugging type and lack of affection is not spoiling IMO. But, to repeat, Narcissa may be the spoiling one and it would all work anyway. BTW, I'm starting to warm up to the idea of bipolar!Lucius. *G*

Oh, I love everything about QoM. When I re-read it sometimes my blood freezes. Also I laugh a lot, but then that's what makes my blood freeze more.

A propos of DWJ, have you read her Tough Guide to Fantasy? I recommend it very highly indeed.

I have NO idea how to filter a post only to you so I'll post any blathering about the thing we can't speak of at your LJ, though actually only [livejournal.com profile] baeraad and you read my lj. Still, one can't be prudent enough. :-D

Harry: "Voldemort, I smite thee with this paper-clip chain of love!"

*laughs until she cries* Love you to pieces, oh excellent satirist!

[identity profile] sarahtales.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
At this point I prove myself totally clueless...

I never spotted the rolled down sleeve thing just because - well, damn it, the saying is wrong! If you're holding your arm to roll your sleeve down (down, damn it!) the direction your sleeve is going is down. Stupid inaccurate world, I defy its conventions. (Now that I've had them pointed out, that is.)

In further proof of my sheer stupidity, what on earth was the DW quote? Now I'm terrified - I'm a plagiarist! That was totally unintentional. I swear! Not that I wouldn't quote, but I signpost like a madwoman - like Draco's songs. (Oh God, I must instantly re-read my originals and check them for plagiarism!)

In re Mira above (haven't read the other author) I agree she's fabulous. Actually, Shadow, while brilliant, has the fundamental problem for me that I haven't seen Harry and Draco's relationship develop so I don't believe in it, but that's my own awkward psychology getting in the way. (I had to terminally confuse several people with allllll my flashbacks in DDG because I cannot leave Relationship Building alone. I have a problem.) But I love many of her shorts - Kailash, When It Rises is one of my top ten fics. A woman of great talent!

Conversely, I was appalled by Howl's Moving Castle. My favourite DWJ book! (Though Howl is not my best-loved DWJ character - that's Christopher Chant.)

I was really pleased to see Le Guin quoted about my humble fanfiction - I just re-read The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas, and wept because it's so good. And also wept because it's so unholy depressing.

Giving life to dead things both makes me pleased and makes me laugh as I picture myself as the Voodoo Mistress of a Zombie Army. (I completely want to infuse life into cliches! And to be the voodoo mistress of a... But I've said too much.)

I was totally thinking of Starsky and Hutch while I wrote DDG (the remake, because I'm a philistine) - I do think the buddy cop dynamic is fascinating, though of course my regular complaint is that people need to be more screwed up.

I use my Ron and Pansy icon because they really are my OTP, you know, and of course I do not have any spoilerish comments to make on Draco. Except that anyone who thinks he's playing with Katie to win Harry's affections is not right.

Thank you for a really thoughtful review! While the Chief Original sits with agents, I can probably do something about QoM or DDG. ;)

[identity profile] flyingskull.livejournal.com 2007-02-21 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
AHA! Now I see how you picture it: forearm raised to a 90° angle like a rather rude Italian gesture and the sleeve is, of course, rolled DOWN the upraised forearm. It's still so absurd it makes me laugh. :P

The DW quote was: Malfoy drank the drink. Okay it's not Malfoy, obviously, in the DW, but there was a long sequence in Men at Arms or maybe another one when all the watch is in the pub and they stare at the drink and then they drink the drink that's repeated a lot so it stayed in my sieve-like mind. No sooner read than remembered the Watch. I know it was not intentional, I DO know, but the subconscious is a fiery beast and also it bites. Sorry about upsetting you.

You're right about the H/D being sort of plopped in without a shade of how in hell it happened - my take is that Myra has it firmly in her otherwise intelligent head that Draco has done nothing with his life but pine unceasingly for Harry since the day he was born and that's why he took Sex Magick in decadent France, yes well, she's American, Draco learned Sex Magick to finally have his wicked bottom way with Harry, TEH Manly One.

Okay, I'm not kind to my fave authors, but that's me: unkind is my Subtly Disguised As A Renowed Author's Surname second name.

Ah yes, Christopher Chant love! *sigh* Alright, I do dote on Howell, but Christopher has my intelligent heart. Glad you too were appalled by 'orrible film, though.

As you prolly suspect, I love LeGuin fiercely and forever and also I kind of like unholy depressing books. I mean, I'd rather be unholily depressed by a spiffy good book than bored to death by a bad one.

You are the Voodoo Mistress of a Zombie Army! You write Harry Potter fanfic! :P

Since reading Flame and Shadow I've been firmly convinced that Pansy/Ron is the only true OTP that can reasonably emerge from canon. He needs her more than she needs him, true, after all she's got the White Dove Unicorn and he's got the heartlessl murderous controlling bitch; but at the same time I do believe Ron would be a very good thing for Pansy.

The very idea that Draco could be using Katie to win Harry had never begun to percolate in my brain! Utterly unthinkable! NO really, it doesn't work if ... alright you would never write anything so lame and it wouldn't work anyway except in a very Fangurl On The Sugar High Of A Lifetime way. Blegh, the very idea repels.

You deserve thoughtful because you write thoughtful, dear.

P.S. I don't know if you can, but if you can you really should see the original Starsky and Hutch series. It was full of gay innuendo poorly disguised as cop duo in-jokes. Was also full of Katies. The film remake was really poor and flat in comparison. Also it tried too hard. I don't like it when authors of all kinds try too hard. I don't know how hard you try, but, like an etoile dancing, I can't see it and that's all I ask: apparently effortless grace.
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"spoiled"

[identity profile] lilian-cho.livejournal.com 2007-02-22 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
Whoops. Now all your quirkiness makes sense >=D

j/k :-P

I don't think the fact that you're British ever crop up in our conversation before. I've been in the HP fandom too long that British-ism just goes unnoticed. Umm, probably your use of "luv" is the only thing that niggled at me.

Okay okay, "spoiled" is a dirty word to Westerners, it seems. Probably the whole self-sufficiency thing. In my home country, to children from families in middle and high economy levels, "spoiled" is a way of life. Maybe it's too strong a word, but definitely "pampered"--sometimes even "coddled."

Some children don't feed themselves even when they're nine, I kid you not. We don't even bring our dishes to the sink, what's more wash the dishes. Some rarely bend down to take off their shoes and socks--there's the maid to do it. School bag? There's the driver/chaffeur. Shopping bags? Maid.

Lots of people in my home country have maids/babysitters/cooks and chaffeurs/drivers. We don't have to be rich to afford to hire these people. Even if the household subsists on one salaryman's income, they can afford one maid.

I said Draco doesn't seem spoiled to me because spoiled to me carries overtones of 'you can NEVER be wrong my child' and 'you are all perfection dear, do what you want' with a side dish of lots of things given.

That too. Thankfully my parents are not nauseating like that. But it's not like I ever lack praise, so. I guess if you don't let it go to your head, you're not spoiled? lol

As Pterry shows in Small Gods and other places - Good Omens for one, cfr. Crowley musings - there's nothing that human being can do to one another while being perfectly loving parents at home

Yep.

As you say, he ain't the hugging type and lack of affection is not spoiling IMO.

Well...there's spoiling with material goods and there's spoiling in other ways.
My parents don't really hug me either. A few times a year but that's it. To us, overexuberant affection means false love. It's like--saying thank you too often equals boot-licking. Maybe it's just an Asian thing, lol. My family is unique, haha.

BTW, I'm starting to warm up to the idea of bipolar!Lucius. *G*

X-D And Snape discreetly provides Lucius with his medication. Also the reason why Lucius didn't tell the Dark Lord his suspicions re: Snape's allegiance.
Poor Lucius, trapped in Azkaban without his prozac potions.

A propos of DWJ, have you read her Tough Guide to Fantasy? I recommend it very highly indeed.

Ooh no will have to check it out :-D
And I do love Christopher Chant more than Howl. I have this strange fixation for brunettes--it's only in HP fandom that I prefer blonds :-P

*laughs until she cries* Love you to pieces, oh excellent satirist!

*preens*
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[identity profile] lilian-cho.livejournal.com 2007-02-22 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
Let me embarass myself by fangirling you again here.

(I had to terminally confuse several people with allllll my flashbacks in DDG because I cannot leave Relationship Building alone. I have a problem.)

It was not confusing at all! You clearly set those segments apart with markers. And the feel of Harry/Draco dynamic in the present segment and the flashback segment is totally totally different.

So not confused at all! Give us more flashbacks! Yay!

And Maya, on the event of you leaving HP fandom *wibbles*, will you please oh please write a DWJ fanfic? I don't understand why there isn't a bigger DWJ fandom because so many of her books are brilliant and have lots of fanfic possibilities.

*scampers away*
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[identity profile] lilian-cho.livejournal.com 2007-02-22 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
Draco has done nothing with his life but pine unceasingly for Harry since the day he was born and that's why he took Sex Magick in decadent France

I think it's sort of implied in SoHW that Draco was involved in a Dark Wizarding cult. The sex magick is just part and parcel of the whole thing it seems.

I wonder if one day anyone will say, "Oh, she's Chinese, that's why she wrote it this way." :-P
So far most people seem to be clueless re: my non-native origin though, hah. Except if they're on my friends list, of course.

Christopher has my intelligent heart.

I know exactly what you mean :-)
He's so...*sighs dreamily*

I'd rather be unholily depressed by a spiffy good book than bored to death by a bad one.

I purposefully avoid depressing books :-P
Because when I get ticked off by a book, I carry the grudge for _years_. I'm still rather upset at Gone with the Wind.

It was full of gay innuendo poorly disguised as cop duo in-jokes.

Okay, now you make me want to watch it. Also, pop culture references that I'm clueless about because I grew up in S.E. Asia :-P

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